Comments on: Drop the network http://prolific.org/2004/01/13/drop-the-network/ ISSN 1568-2218 | Established 1999 Mon, 22 Aug 2011 13:01:32 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: pawz http://prolific.org/2004/01/13/drop-the-network/comment-page-1/#comment-262 pawz Thu, 15 Jan 2004 07:41:33 +0000 http://vonbpress.com/2004/01/13/drop-the-network/#comment-262 I do want to make another point - one I should have made in my last comment. I have had sites (different incarnations and urls) for over three years. In that time, I've seen communities spring up, change, go away, and some have remained through it all. I think anything that bolsters a good sense of *community*, is, undoubtably a good thing. Now that friendship goes beyond those with whom one sits in a coffee-shop, and instead includes those with whom one chats online, it could be a good tool for connectivity. I hope that thought made sense! I do want to make another point – one I should have made in my last comment. I have had sites (different incarnations and urls) for over three years. In that time, I’ve seen communities spring up, change, go away, and some have remained through it all. I think anything that bolsters a good sense of *community*, is, undoubtably a good thing. Now that friendship goes beyond those with whom one sits in a coffee-shop, and instead includes those with whom one chats online, it could be a good tool for connectivity. I hope that thought made sense!

]]> By: Hg http://prolific.org/2004/01/13/drop-the-network/comment-page-1/#comment-261 Hg Wed, 14 Jan 2004 11:24:44 +0000 http://vonbpress.com/2004/01/13/drop-the-network/#comment-261 Yes, fair point. I side-stepped the cultural aspect of it, not having enough objectivity to be able to comment. I was focusing on "Do you name-drop? Does it annoy you?" instead. Yes, fair point. I side-stepped the cultural aspect of it, not having enough objectivity to be able to comment. I was focusing on “Do you name-drop? Does it annoy you?” instead.

]]> By: Caroline http://prolific.org/2004/01/13/drop-the-network/comment-page-1/#comment-260 Caroline Wed, 14 Jan 2004 04:19:54 +0000 http://vonbpress.com/2004/01/13/drop-the-network/#comment-260 "If it's to bolster your self-esteem, self-confidence or self-importance, you should probably have kept quiet." In Northern-European culture. “If it’s to bolster your self-esteem, self-confidence or self-importance, you should probably have kept quiet.”

In Northern-European culture.

]]> By: Hg http://prolific.org/2004/01/13/drop-the-network/comment-page-1/#comment-259 Hg Wed, 14 Jan 2004 04:13:32 +0000 http://vonbpress.com/2004/01/13/drop-the-network/#comment-259 Funny, I was discussing this with Liz (she lets me drop the "Your Highness" stuff when it's just the two of us) only last night. My own interest in this technical standard is (of course) systems-oriented, in its widest sense. I'm interested in relationships, networks and maps - the connections that we make between things. XFN provides another tool to document these, with the whole "six degrees of separation" thing thrown into the mix. On a more pragmatic note, I think that in many circumstances name-dropping can be benign. Don't we always try to find an element of commonality with new people who we meet? It's part of the way we make friends - we exchange favourite music, books, films, sports, etc. Identifying (genuine) mutual acquaintances is another part of that process and the only realistic way to do this is to name names. What I dislike is the dishonest type of name-dropping, using your relationship to someone else in a way that lacks integrity. It's all about context - how well you know the person, what type of relationship you have, when and where you mention their name. Also, probably most pertiently, about what you intend to achieve by mentioning them. If it's to bolster your self-esteem, self-confidence or self-importance, you should probably have kept quiet. Funny, I was discussing this with Liz (she lets me drop the “Your Highness” stuff when it’s just the two of us) only last night.

My own interest in this technical standard is (of course) systems-oriented, in its widest sense. I’m interested in relationships, networks and maps – the connections that we make between things. XFN provides another tool to document these, with the whole “six degrees of separation” thing thrown into the mix.

On a more pragmatic note, I think that in many circumstances name-dropping can be benign. Don’t we always try to find an element of commonality with new people who we meet? It’s part of the way we make friends – we exchange favourite music, books, films, sports, etc. Identifying (genuine) mutual acquaintances is another part of that process and the only realistic way to do this is to name names.

What I dislike is the dishonest type of name-dropping, using your relationship to someone else in a way that lacks integrity. It’s all about context – how well you know the person, what type of relationship you have, when and where you mention their name. Also, probably most pertiently, about what you intend to achieve by mentioning them. If it’s to bolster your self-esteem, self-confidence or self-importance, you should probably have kept quiet.

]]> By: Caroline http://prolific.org/2004/01/13/drop-the-network/comment-page-1/#comment-258 Caroline Wed, 14 Jan 2004 02:44:58 +0000 http://vonbpress.com/2004/01/13/drop-the-network/#comment-258 Couple of thoughts: Perhaps the makers of XFN (which is not an app, it's a 'relationship datatype') should not have used the word blogroll. Am a little surprised at the comments as I was going into the cultural aspect, the thinking that lead to the creation, not the implementation of XFN. I definitely wasn't talking about blogrolls and whether or not to 'roll your own'. Couple of thoughts:

Perhaps the makers of XFN (which is not an app, it’s a ‘relationship datatype’) should not have used the word blogroll.

Am a little surprised at the comments as I was going into the cultural aspect, the thinking that lead to the creation, not the implementation of XFN.

I definitely wasn’t talking about blogrolls and whether or not to ‘roll your own’.

]]> By: Vaughan http://prolific.org/2004/01/13/drop-the-network/comment-page-1/#comment-257 Vaughan Wed, 14 Jan 2004 01:53:47 +0000 http://vonbpress.com/2004/01/13/drop-the-network/#comment-257 (runs away and hides at the very idea, having tried to understand the page; I just prefer to like, er, keep a list of blogs I visit). (runs away and hides at the very idea, having tried to understand the page; I just prefer to like, er, keep a list of blogs I visit).

]]> By: Herb http://prolific.org/2004/01/13/drop-the-network/comment-page-1/#comment-256 Herb Wed, 14 Jan 2004 00:10:35 +0000 http://vonbpress.com/2004/01/13/drop-the-network/#comment-256 Never been interested in the blogroll, preferring to do it myself instead. The new app leaves me with a big who cares. Never been interested in the blogroll, preferring to do it myself instead. The new app leaves me with a big who cares.

]]> By: Caroline http://prolific.org/2004/01/13/drop-the-network/comment-page-1/#comment-255 Caroline Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:54:57 +0000 http://vonbpress.com/2004/01/13/drop-the-network/#comment-255 test test

]]> By: Gordon http://prolific.org/2004/01/13/drop-the-network/comment-page-1/#comment-254 Gordon Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:22:58 +0000 http://vonbpress.com/2004/01/13/drop-the-network/#comment-254 Don't think I'm a name dropper (other than astonished "Guess who I saw..."). People who namedrop annoy me, as they are usually trying to make themselves look better somehow.. As for XFN, I'll need to do some digging before I comment (right now I'm heading for 'couldn't care less' ;-) Don’t think I’m a name dropper (other than astonished “Guess who I saw…”).

People who namedrop annoy me, as they are usually trying to make themselves look better somehow..

As for XFN, I’ll need to do some digging before I comment (right now I’m heading for ‘couldn’t care less’ ;-)

]]> By: pawz http://prolific.org/2004/01/13/drop-the-network/comment-page-1/#comment-253 pawz Tue, 13 Jan 2004 05:39:25 +0000 http://vonbpress.com/2004/01/13/drop-the-network/#comment-253 since most of the bloggers i have as links use blogrolling, until this is implemented to work with such apps as blogrolling, or other such utilities, i don't know how widely used it will be. good idea tho', nevertheless. since most of the bloggers i have as links use blogrolling, until this is implemented to work with such apps as blogrolling, or other such utilities, i don’t know how widely used it will be. good idea tho’, nevertheless.

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